HMS Spey remained with the damaged ship. Otranto (British, 20026 GRT, built 1925), No way are they going to have the predicted service life of 50 years. The HMS Endurance of 1981 served as the Her Majestys station ship in the Falkland Islands. Yarde-Buller, RNVR), HMS Gardenia (T/Lt. Billot, RNR), HMS Walney (Lt.Cdr. Navy X gets new technology off the drawing board and into the hands of our people on operations at a pace that has not been possible before. Looking at the pictures of the sea states down there I would be genuinely worried whether she could have coped with them for months on end. Modern day list of ships supposedly lost by the British in the Falklands War, still showing Invincible and Hermes as considered or possibly sunk or damaged the old myths die hard: Here a more recent Argentine photograph from the press shows an impressive attack against HMS Penelope with the caption A greeting to your Queen: the boiler explosion that had prompted bulwarks retirement had never been even surveyed. She was the first warship to be built in what would become the United States. Llangibby Castle (British, 11951 GRT, built 1929), His book is a great read, but its also heavily biased. Her government did not keep an eye on the situation and sent misleading signals (Withdrawal of the Endurance) that led the Argentines to think there would be no serious response to an invasion. If either carrier was lost it would effectively end the operation. J.S. With them were also transports from convoy KMS A1. The Admiralty had decided to make use of the expected confusion of the landings in North Africa to run two 'small' merchant ships with important cargo to Malta. Batory, HMS Spey by that time had departed with the ships 24 landing craft in which the ships troops had embarked. Better news for RN carrier aviation too. D.S. Cathay, They had the same escort as Group III. Around 1830A/5, the M/S trawlers HMS Cava (T/Lt. Whether it be in the heat of the desert or ice of the Antarctic, we are ready for action in the most extreme environments on earth. The force for ' A Sector ' was made up of HMS Karanja and the Marnix van St. Aldegonde and Viceroy of India. A question remains, could she have been brought back to service on time? The lack of early warning for the task force was a real problem and Im not sure whether having phantoms instead would have made much difference. Lycaon, Gibbs, DSO and Bar, RN), HMS Royal Scotsman (Lt.Cdr. Sobieski, Around 1300A/3, the light cruiser HMS Jamaica (Capt. Good points. H.R. theres no way big lizzie and fat taff will give 50 years service. We are cursed by Governments who seem to ignore their first duty Defence of the Nation Hammond is a first class example of an idiot who with a wave of the hand stresses we only need an Army of 50,000 . i doubt she would have even got to the falklands. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); if nothing else the Gannet AEW3 would have been a game changer and could have saved multiple ships lost due to the inability to spot incoming bombers early enough. Urlana. Access dedicated veterans charities and get all the support you need, from help with any mental health issues to financial advice. Manchester Port, Simmers, RNR), HMS Bude (Lt. F.A.J. V/STOL carriers can keep operating in worse sea states than conventional carriers my understanding is Ark wouldnt have been able to recover her aircraft for much of the war, making her useless. For ' Y ' beach The indication to the Argentineans was that we no longer wanted/had the will to defend the islands. Tegelberg (Dutch, 14150 GRT, built 1937), Ark Royal carried airborne early warning aircraft in the (unique) shape of the Fairest Gannet. Physical and mental fitness are at the heart of Royal Navy life. Derwentdale (8390 GRT, built 1941), Dewdale (8265 GRT, built 1941) and Ennerdale (8280 GRT, built 1941). HMS Plymouth was a Royal Navy Rothesay -class frigate. Would the Atlantic Conveyor still have been sent? Group VIII, LST HMS Bachaquero (A/Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) Sharkey's way is the right way. A.C. Whitcombe, RNR), HMS Mull (Lt. J. Plomer, RCNVR), HMS Rysa (T/Lt. Armstrong, DSC, RD, RNR), HMS Royal Ulsterman (A/Lt.Cdr. The carriers, whilst being a useful addition to the armed forces, are predominately vanity pieces. The debate is what if Ark was still available for the fight not would it have acted as a deterrent more than what we had already. Now add in the Phantom's ability to go supersonic and the additional range of the SkyFlash. Groups VI and VII were escorted by the light (AA) cruiser HMS Delhi (Capt. Let's start with early warning. HMS Rhyl Two ships of the Royal Navy have been named HMS Rhyl, after the town of Rhyl in Wales: HMS Rhyl (J36) was a Bangor -class minesweeper launched in 1940 and sold in 1948. Covers this near enough and up to modern day. M.M. They were escorted by the light cruiser HMS Jamaica, escort destroyers HMS Calpe (Lt.Cdr. Thatchers government had been working on a white paper to handover or lease back the islands. H.J. We empower all our people, by respecting and valuing what makes them different. More than 40 Grenadier Guards joined HMS Forth for their first Unless this about lessons we shouldnt forget this is just another counter factual. Biddulph, DSC, RN), HMS Rother (Lt.Cdr. E.A. City of Worcester (British, 5469 GRT, built 1927), Awatea, Brooke, DSO, DSC and Bar, RN). Shaw, RNR), HMS Polruan (Lt. C.D. But six weeks is a very long time to keep just twelve Phantoms and their crews flying without any possibility of reinforcement or replacement. Landing Craft (Utility) Foxtrot Four was the last Royal Navy vessel lost in the six-week war in the South Atlantic, attacked on the same day June 8 as the more well-known tragedy of Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram and the 200 casualties they suffered when bombed. The ship entered HMNB Devonport, and was subsequently decommissioned on the 14th February 1979. not sure how factually accurate it is but it seems relatively well researched. J.D. J.B.G. Say a 18/12 split, though that's my opinion at this point. Ark Royals career spanned 27 years she spent more time in final fitting out and subsequent resits and modernisation (15 years) than she did in commissioned service (12 years). Ark Royal would have been a great asset in 82,with the benefit of hindsight. KMF A1 was destined for Algiers and KMF O1 was destined for Oran. T.B. Durban Castle (British, 17388 GRT, built 1938), Charles H. Cramp, D.W. Austin, RN), HMS Lauderdale (Lt. G.D. Sherwood, RNR). HMS Largs, landing ships, landing craft and escorts were then ordered to proceed to Sousse. Benalbanach, Convoy KMS O 1 was to pass the Strait of Gibraltar around 1630A/6; it was made up of the transports; Sadly, the political issue of saving money in spite of our defence needs was one which led to the ultimate decision to scrap Ark Royal, without a replacement fixed-wing aircraft carrier to fulfill her role and functions. Whether its dealing with the demands of deployment or the rigours of relocation, we make sure that the family and friends of Naval Service personnel have all the help, guidance and support they need, every day. L.J.S. Buccaneers would almost certainly have followed and would likely have sunk the carrier and her A-4Q Skyhawks, wiping out nearly 15% of the entire Argentine Skyhawk force in a single blow. Reina del Pacifico (British, 17702 GRT, built 1931), Could keeping HMS Ark Royal have prevented the Falklands War? Does that remind you of how the Argentines were flying? Dont knowRead more . WebDeparted HMNB Portsmouth for 7.5 month group deployment (TG 317.6) to Australia and Far East, escorting HMS Tiger and in company with RFA Grey Rover, RFA Regent, RFA Tarbatness and RFA Tidepool. Can you expand on this? Or have a friend or loved one who is? Case, DSC and Bar, RD, RNR), HMS Spey (Cdr. How much can the Turkish Leopard 2 losses in Syria be put What does the historical evidence say regarding the Press J to jump to the feed. Winchester Castle (British, 20012 GRT, built 1930). Learn more about the Royal Navys priorities and what we do day-to-day. Around 0200A/6, the destroyers HMS Broke (Lt.Cdr. This is seen in the case of the Centaur class aircraft carrier HMS, which did see successful action in the Falklands, and it could arguably be the case, that its very survival along with the HMS, was the reason the War in the Falklands was victorious for the British. Brewer, RN), corvettes HMS Convolvulus (A/Lt.Cdr. Almaack, Around 0535A/7, in position 3734'N, 0001'W, the attack transport USS Thomas Stone was torpedoed and damaged by an enemy aircraft. When you need at least two on station, two on their way back and two getting ready to go, you have six aircraft constantly tied up at the least and thats only for one CAP station. It was made up of the USS Almaack, USS Leedstown, USS Samuel Chase, Exceller and Dempo. The ship entered HMNB Devonport, and was subsequently decommissioned on the 14th February 1979. It would have changed things, but I don't think it would have made it that much easier. My argument here is that with the ability to launch fixed-wing aircraft which HMS. Scott, RN) departed Gibraltar to join the convoy. C.L. Two ships from Convoy KMS 1, the Ardeola and Tadorna formed part of Convoy KMS 1A after the convoy had split up. If it necessary to create a 2 tier fleet of escortsRead more . They were escorted by the AA ship HMS Palomeres, destroyer ORP Blyskawica, escort destroyers HMS Lamerton, HMS Wheatland, HMS Wilton, minesweepers HMS Acute, HMS Alarm, HMS Albacore, MS trawlers HMS Hoy, HMS Incholm, HMS Mull and the motor launches HMS ML 238, HMS ML 307 and HMS ML 444. Forth then several more miles out to sea to the spot where the landing craft was last seen in 1982 following valiant efforts to salvage her, and the Still was piped in memory. G. Blessas). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Mandatory Fun, https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hms-eagle-in-the-falklands.447558/. She was launched on 9 July 1964, and was delivered to the Royal Navy two years later.A twin launcher for the Seaslug anti-aircraft missile was fitted aft.At the start of the Falklands campaign, on 2 April 1982, Two weeks later on 14 May, she supported British special forces during the At the beginning of June, the task force having been reinforced with other ships, Before the missile impact, the ship executed a highspeed turn away from the missile, before the Exocet struck the port side adjacent to the hangar near the stern. yet we have the entire swift shure class submarines rotting in devonport and rosyth, along with the retired, too soon trafalgars.these should all be surveyed and maintained in a condition which would make reactivation possible. R. de L. Brooke, DSC, RN) and HMS Wilton (Lt. A.P. Of course, the small Gannet force would also have been terribly fragile. 1982-may. Returned 20 Apr 1978. H.E.F. Royal Marines are able to operate across all terrains and environments using an arsenal of highly specialised equipment and weapons. Nichols, USN), USS Leedstown (Cdr. Lalande (British, 7453 GRT, built 1920), Hutton, DSO, RN), HMS Lookout (Lt.Cdr. They did not reach Malta however. Our ability to overcome adverse conditions means were often the first to respond when disaster strikes. The damaged ship anchored off Algiers around 1030A/11 being towed there by HMS Wishart and HMS St. Day. By the time she was paid off in 79 she was in a horrendous state. Smaller carriers are especially susceptible to being tossed around in rough weather. Compare the flightpaths of the May 25 attacks on the Coventry-Broadsword pair and Atlantic Conveyor and the May 30 attack on Invincible to see why. Agnew, CB, RN) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMF O1. Boys-Smith, DSO and Bar, RD, RNR), HMS Swale (Lt.Cdr. As for Atlantic Conveyor, I can't see how this changes things enough so that she isn't sent. Currey, DSC, RN) joined coming from the Azores. R. Patterson, SANF(V)), HMS Albacore (Lt.Cdr. Firth, MVO, RN) and RHS Vasilissa Olga (Lt.Cdr. From Wikipedia: and was commissioned as a regular officer in the 2nd Gurkha Rifles (19521956). Trentham, RN), minesweepers HMS Brixham, HMS Bude, HMS Clacton, HMS Felixtowe, HMS Polruan (Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) They were manned by Royal Naval personnel, mainly from 1st MCM Squadron based at Rosyth. Given the state of her engines by the time she was retired Im not sure in she couldveRead more . Chase Closed My Account When Will I Get My Money, Interesting when you look into the political and strategic aspects that as early as 1966, the UK Defence White Paper had planned to scrap the British Aircraft carriers in the early 1970s, leaving Britain without an aircraft carrier capability. The Argentinian junta invaded because they believed that Britain did not have the national and political will to liberate the islands, so the availability of Ark Royal would not have made a difference to their reasoning imo. J.H. But the large landing craft also saved many lives. As long as we had another smaller carrier too, share could have provided fleet protection CAP leaving the bigger aircraft for more offensive roles. X ', ' Y ' and ' Z ' beach. These ships were considered expendable. Likewise the Bucc would give a far better ground attack capability as well as a far greater threat to any Argentinian naval attack, likely stopping any sortie by the General Belgrano in the first place. Argentinas junta were making threats against the Falklandsagain trying to draw attention away from domestic problems. Abel Smith, RN), destroyer HMS Clare (Lt.Cdr. Benalbanach (British, 7153 GRT, built 1940), AR being also capable of providing AEW via the Gannet gives the task force anywhere from 100-200 miles (about 10 or 15 minutes) warning about incoming raids. failure to learn from the past, increases the chances of those mistakes happening again, the two world wars and the fact that submarines could have starved the u.k into submission, the same threat applies today. Port View. When off Cape Bon on 9 November, they were taken under fire by Vichy French coastal batteries, despite the darkness, and then captured by motor torpedo boats. Following Royal B.J. Letitia (British, 13595 GRT, built 1925), I dont believe the Argentines would have taken the islands if Hermes and the Ark had been retained as fast jet carriers. In the unlikely event of the Ark royal being serviceable ,theres a fairly good chance that the Argentineans would have sunk her. At the heart of our naval prowess is an impressive fleet that includes destroyers, frigates and aircraft carriers. Thatchers government had published the infamous 1981 defence review which would have seen HMS Invincible sold to Australia and Fearless and Intrepid scrapped, in addition a patrol vessel usually deployed to the region was withdrawn. With only three or four Gannets, a single accident or maintenence crisis would have had an outsized effect the Gannet force's operations. At 1045A/3, the destroyer HMS Wivern (Cdr. The Buccaneer's buddy-tanking capability could also have been used to keep Phantoms on CAP longer. Beverley, DSO, DSC, RNR), HMS Violet (Lt. C.N. W.R. Slayter, DSC, RN, flying the flag of Rear-Admiral C.H.J. G.L.D. I read that Bulwark was actually examined during the war to investigate if it could be brought quickly back into service and rushed south but its material state was too far gone by that time. Withdrawing the Ark in 79 would only have further convinced them of our North Atlantic/NATO centric pivot. On the 4th May 1982 she was struck by an Exocet air-launched missile fired from an Argentinian Navy Super Etendard aircraft. Obviously, Galtieri and his gang launched the invasion to distract attention from their domestic problems, and as I said before, in the expectation that Britain lacked the will to do anything militarily, irrespective of what forcesRead more . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Renny, DSC, RNR), HMS Vetch (T/A/Lt.Cdr. From that moment, war was inevitable as the junta could not have backed down and survived. G.P. H.M. Darell-Brown, RN), cutters HMS Hartland (Lt.Cdr. F.Y. E.N.V. W.R.K. William M. Wirt (American, 7191 GRT, built 1942) and As British aviation historian Rowland White has argued: "In the end it was, as it so often is, more a numbers game than anything. Mark Twain, So nothing really changes then, with wholesale disposal of assets only to discover they are needed just a few years later. C.R. At one point the Sea Harriers managed to cover three CAP stations. Lacon, DSC, RN) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMF A1 and relieve HMS Achates, HMS Antelope, HMS Amazon and HMS Wivern. Via Matteotti, 3721040 Vedano Olona VA. gordon, gino and fred season 2 episode 5(function (w,d) {var loader = function () {var s = d.createElement("script"), tag = d.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.src="https://cdn.iubenda.com/iubenda.js"; tag.parentNode.insertBefore(s,tag);}; if(w.addEventListener){w.addEventListener("load", loader, false);}else if(w.attachEvent){w.attachEvent("onload", loader);}else{w.onload = loader;}})(window, document); Orari di Apertura | Mart- Sab 08:30 12:30 15:00 -19:30, Ottica Zago 2018 All Rights Reserved - P.IVA 03256230123 -Design. Would things have been better with Ark Royal and her Gannets? HMS Falkland (1696) was a 54-gun fourth-rate ship of the line, purchased in 1696. Around 0725Z/7, HMS Clare parted company to join ' Force O ' which she did around 0913Z/7. Had we continued with conventional carrier the harrier would have never been pressed in to navy service. McGregor, RN), landing ships HMS Princess Beatrix (Cdr.(Retd.) Buccaneers flew low over Belize City to reassure residents. IIRC there were occasions where 25 de Mayo was unable to conduct operations due to the weather/sea state. Eight motor torpedo boats and / or motor gun boats were also set to patrol in the area. If Ark Royal went with either Hermes or Invincible, the air group would be bigger and more capable: Ark royal typically carried 26ish buccs and phantoms. I.H. Empire Mordred, M.A.O. Exercise Joint Warrior is the largest military exercise in Europe, bringing together the Royal Navy, the Royal Air Force and the British Army, as well as forces from other nations. Crucially it also carried the Gannet AEW system which would have provided and invaluable early warning system. Even even the phantoms and buccaneers could take off, landing was a whole new ball game. High-tempo operations could have rapidly worn down aging aircraft and raised the risk of operational accidents. Salacia, Currently serving in the Royal Navy? Learn about the different types of accommodation available through the Royal Navy and find an option that meets your needs. HMS Escapade and HMS Marne were apparently detached to Gibraltar on the convoy passing the Strait of Gibraltar. Bulwark and either Tiger or Blake, not sure which, where up the trot at Guz. Thesues, A.W. If Ark Royal was still in commission it's arguable if the Argentinians would not have invaded considering it's capabilities. Havildar (British, 5401 GRT, built 1940), Likely in wartime boosted up a bit. 14 Buccaneer S2s, 12 Phantom FG1s, 4 Gannet AEW3, 1 Gannet COD4, 7 Sea king, and 2 Wessex helicopters. H.G. Barstow, RN), HMS Verity, (Lt.Cdr. More penny pinching by yet another Government. Lalande, The harrier with the ski jump gave the Royal Navy a critical edge. arks cmplement of aircraft would have been bolstered with harries perhaps taken from atlantic conveyor, where numerous air assets were lost. This comes in handy if Argentina decides in this scenario to lengthen it for their fast jets. Find the contacts you need for recruitment, media enquiries and more. How bad was the Spanish Army during the Peninsular War? The 14 Phantoms and 14 Buccaneers would have been pressed very hard and the horrendous sea conditions in the South Atlantic might have well made launch and recovery impossible at times.. Manchester Port (British, 7071 GRT, built 1935), Bennehoff, USN) were also part of the convoy. I think the simple answer to the headline is yes, as there would have been greater air cover and range to protect the ships in the fleet, with Argentina well aware of this fact they may not have invaded. Crewe-Read, RN), HMS Princess Beatrix (Cdr.(Retd.) AR was on a wing and a prayer by the time it was decommissioned. Williams, RN) and HMS Cadmus (Lt.Cdr. Walt Whitman (American, 7176 GRT, built 1942), HMS Rhyl was a Rothesay-class or Type 12I anti-submarine frigate of the Royal Navy, launched by Lady Macmillan on 23 February 1959 and commissioned in October 1960. We wouldve been far better off retaining HMS Eagle, she was in a far better state than the Ark. Like all other Royal Navy warships of the time, was part of the NATO fleet which patrolled to 'discourage aggression by Russia and the Soviet Block' during the Cold War. No reason why Harriers, if deployed on CATO-BAR carriers in the Falklands War couldnt be Catapulted, and Land STOVL? From Sfax, ' Convoy A ' sailed for the landings on Pantelleria. C.A. Sinclair, RN), HMS Amazon (Lt.Cdr.(Emgy.) Following Royal Navy service she was sunk as a target in 1985. Divers, OBE, RNR, flying the flag of Rear-Admiral R.R. My argument here is that with the ability to launch fixed-wing aircraft which HMS Ark Royal would have been able to, would have shifted the balance of power more favorably to the British Royal Navy, and provided even greater aircover while possibly deterring the war in the first place. Around 0800A/3, the destroyer HMS Marne (Lt.Cdr. Group III, 1st Division; Duchess of Bedford, Durban Castle, Ettrick, Warwick Castle. Do not forget HMS Eagle, a newer ship than Ark Royal. HMS Rhyl was a Rothesay-class or Type 12I anti-submarine frigate of the Royal Navy, launched by Lady Macmillan on 23 February 1959 and commissioned in October 1960. Following Royal Navy service she was sunk as a target in 1985. 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